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Facebook. Love it or hate it. Or both. Too many of us winnow our social media “friends” based upon their political views. It is easier to agree than to deal with viewpoints that challenge our own. But if there’s anything the 2016 election should have taught us, it is that we need to listen to each other. We need to walk in each others’ shoes and explore various ideologies. Recently, a friend and former colleague shared a FB post thanking the outgoing administration for its eight years of scandal free and gracious service. Two responses to her post indignantly dissed the former administration. I was compelled to investigate the assertions of the first response, text of which follows [sic]. (I have added numbers to correspond to the points as I investigated them.)
Hi! (1) Extreme behavior that results harm to others is not acceptable, period. (2) The Muslim terrorists were given safe haven in Mosques across America and obviously they had no trouble gaining access to our country. (3) There is an estimated dozen terrorist training camps in America and a vigorous recruiting campaign on the web. (4) Obama there was a catch and release program on the Mexican border and border guards say they were forced to release 7 out of 10 of those they apprehended. (5) Al Sharpton, a guy who rode the race card to wealth and also encouraged violence against whites was welcomed at the White House close to once a week this past year. Oh, and he owes back income taxes at this point. Obama encouraged black lives matter by recognizing them and then we see them conveying the message that blacks should kill law enforcement officers. (6) Whenever there was a white officer killing a black, they were immediately judged guilty by black organizations and people like Sharpton. The process should be to determine if there was justification and if not, deal with errant officers. Have you ever read anything about black officers killing whites?y
Point 1: Extreme behavior . . . is not acceptable: I agree totally! Extremist groups, be they Caucasian Aryan Nations, KKK, Hell’s Angels; or white/brown members of ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood, must be held accountable when they harm others. But in doing so we must follow the law. We can’t assume all people with tattoos, blue eyes, blond hair, Harleys, bushy beards and head scarfs should be arrested. Liberty and justice for all demands nuance.
Point 2: Muslim terrorist given safe haven in American Mosques: Upon investigation, I am convinced that there are terrorists and wannabes hiding out in some Mosques and Muslim communities in America, as well as around the world. So are Christian domestic terrorists.
In America, we follow the law and assume people are innocent until proven guilty. Muslim terrorists hiding under the banner of their religion are no different than Christian or Jewish terrorists hiding under the banners of their religions. We don’t assume all Christian churches are harboring pro-life murderers and we can’t assume that all Muslim Mosques are sheltering Islamic terrorists. Everyone in America is entitled to the rule of law. A partial list of domestic terrorist activities in the US:
- Anti-abortion violence
- Eco-Terrorism
- Bombing of Los Angeles Times building
- Wall Street bombing
- Unabomber attacks
- Attacks by the Jewish Defense League
- Oklahoma City bombing
- Centennial Olympic Park bombing
- Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting
- Southern California shootings
Point 3: 22 terrorist training camps & vigorous online recruiting: By terrorist training camps, I assume this person means ISIS or Jihadist terrorists? I found vigorous flaming of this hoax online, but I found nothing from a reliable journalism source or government statistical site to support this claim. I would concede this point if I could find the evidence.
Point 4: Catch & release on Mexican border: As a result of thousands of Central American asylum seekers flooding the border, fleeing horrible regimes and living conditions, the Dept of Homeland Security and the Executive Office for Immigration Review have been unable to keep up with the caseload. Detention centers are dangerous hives packed to the walls with asylum seekers awaiting their cases to be heard. Packed detention centers are farmed out to private contractors and hordes of asylum seekers are locked in prison-like and deplorable conditions in a purgatory of legal inaction. Yes, people have been released with ankle bracelets. It behooves us to remember that the Pilgrims who came to the eastern shores of our country in the 1600s were fleeing religious and financial persecution. The American dream is still alive; Let’s not beat it into a grave.
Point 5: Al Sharpton’s weekly visits to the White House: This was perhaps the most interesting topic to research. I had little understanding of who Al Sharpton is; I actually had him confused with boxing promoter, Don King. Here are the essentials of what I learned about Al Sharpton:
- Is a civil-right’s leader who has arguably risen to fill the void left by the absence of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
- His base is middle-aged, Christian, churchgoing voters in the black community.
- His civil-right’s concerns go far beyond Black Lives Matter; he is concerned about healthcare, jobs, and education—not so different from Bernie Sanders’ concerns.
- Has, at times let vanity and ambition blind him into wrong-headed battles, e.g. the 1987 Tawana Brawley affair.
- Has a troubled financial background that includes poor record-keeping, unpaid taxes, debts, and lawsuits. (Not a character endorsement for sure, but also true of the financial background of the sitting president)
- Founder of National Action Network (NAN), a Christian activist social justice organization, headquartered in Harlem.
- Vigorous campaign supporter of Barack Obama.
I conclude that Sharpton visited the White House as many as 85 times since 2009. Five of those visits were one-on-one with the president. Twenty were with staff and senior advisors. The balance were group and public events.
Despite Sharpton’s controversial past and activism, he is a go-to leader of the black community. As America devolved into dangerous, black vs white, street warfare, over video-taped street violence, who better to consult in exploring solutions than a lightening rod leader of the black community? Neither Barack Obama nor Al Sharpton has “conveyed the message that blacks should kill law enforcement officers,” at least no more than the sitting president has encouraged racial violence by alluding to Mexican rapists and drug dealers (as if there weren’t plenty of blue-eyed, blond-haired American rapists).
Point 6: Judgements about white on black violence: Sadly, this is a controversy which will not be resolved until data tracking improves.
The lack of reliable data is true of all color schemes attributable to officer/civilian deaths: Black on black; black on white; white on black; white on white. The commenter says, “…they were immediately judged guilty by black organizations and people like Sharpton.” He is referring to video-taped incidents which were plastered all over the news and social media. It is very difficult for any of us to NOT judge those officers as incompetent and racist, but real American patriots must ask, as the commenter suggests, for a court trail and must resist making armchair judgements without all the facts.
My hope is that we all learn to second-guess our presumptions, double-check our facts, and carefully examine the sources for our research: who funds the information, how are sources and statistics gathered, are statements cross-referenced by several sources, and have we investigated those cross references? Unfortunately all this research has not significantly altered my initial reaction to the comment.
Partial list of sources:
CNN.com The truth about Muslims in America by Holly Yan; December 2015
Dailykos.com Obama and Sharpton by Richard Lyon; December 2014
Dailywire.com Statistics you need to know about cops killing blacks by Aaron Bandler
Forwardprogressives.com Right-wing Christians, Radical Islamic fundamentalists,- They’re pretty much the same by Allen Clifton; May 2014
Ikhwanweb: The Muslim Brotherhood
Newsmax.com WaPo Fact Checker; Giuliani right on Sharpton’s Visits to WH by Jennifer G. Hickey; January 2016
Newyorktimes.com Obama administration is quietly delaying thousands of deportations by Caitlin Dickerson; October 2016
Politifact.com Since 9/11 Right-wing extremists killed more Americans than Islamic Extremists by Sally Kohn; January 2015
Routledge Handbook of Islam in the West by Roberto Tottoli; 2015
Snopes.com Alien Nation by Brooke Binkowski; June 2016
Snopes.com Al Sharpton’s Tax debt by Dan Devon; May 2016
Snopes.com Police Race by Bethania Palma; January 2017
Theamericanthinker.com Trump and Obama’s legacy of Racism by Colin Flaherty; January 2017
Theclarionproject.org Radical Mosques in America by Ryan Mauro; November 2015
The FBI Gangs/Extremist Groups
Thenewyorker.com The Fearful and the Frustrated by Evan Osnos August 2015
US Department of State Country Reports on Terrorism 2013
Washingtonpost.com Aren’t more white people than blacks killed by police? Yes but no by Wesley Lowery; July 2016
Interesting post! I’m Swedish and interested in world politics, religion and everything in between. Though I have one question. This is a question I’ve had for a long time. As I sometimes watch American news I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s accepted to use color when talking about someone. Especially if the person committed a crime.As some kind of reference? To me as a swede that information is unnecessary. That information is never provided here. It is strange to me. The question? What are your thoughts on why? Does it complicate or simplify? Uou seem to be a bit of a thinker so maybe you have reflected on this?
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Thanks so much for joining the conversation, Swedish. You ask a wonderfully valid question for which I have no satisfactory answer. You are 100% correct that a person’s color is not pertinent to criminals. The only time that I could see color being valid in a crime news story would be if the criminal is still at large and in that case the color would be part of the general description. Lady Justice is supposed to be color blind. But I don’t think she has ever been so in America. Our courts have had mixed success in being color blind, but our press is guilty of highlighting the race card every chance they get. I think this amplifies the work we have yet to do in this country to make “liberty and justice for all” a reality.
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Thank you for reply. We live, for the most part, in similar societies. Quite easy to understand. Well, except for the race thing. But I guess history play it’s part as well. Thanks again! 🙂
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It’s a pleasure to meet you. I think most of America (or at least the part I’m acquainted with) looks upon the Scandinavian countries as quite a head higher than we are in happiness and equality.
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Well researched, Linda. This is a very good effort and thank you very much for sharing. What you say towards the end, is something we all should think about before we make any rush statements! You say:
“My hope is that we all learn to second-guess our presumptions, double-check our facts, and carefully examine the sources for our research: who funds the information, how are sources and statistics gathered, are statements cross-referenced by several sources, and have we investigated those cross references? Unfortunately all this research has not significantly altered my initial reaction to the comment.”
As a bit of a side line I have one question:
Why on earth has the USA to keep using drones to kill people?
In your view, are actions like this justified?
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Auntyuta, you ask a very reasonable question for which I feel inadequate to give an intelligent answer. I know nothing about the military, combat, or weaponry. But, off the cuff, here are my thoughts.
I could ask, why do we kill people in the first place? The age-old question of what justifies war? (which of course leads me to the rabbit hole, when was the last time America “declared war?”) But skipping the first philosophical question and the second snarky question, I turn to the use of drones as I, an armchair civilian, see it.
It is my understanding that a drone has the ability to zero in on a target far more precisely than a bomber flying much higher and faster above the target. This is the theory. We have seen that the reality does not exactly live up to the theory.
In defense of drones themselves we must ask, is it technological failure or human error of the drone pilots and military intelligence that are responsible for collateral damage (civilian deaths)? Again, in theory, a drone can precisely drop its load where it needs to land, thereby killing only the targeted enemy. But there are a lot of variables involved.
Another reason for drones is that they are far less expensive to build, operate, and maintain than manned aircraft. And drones minimize the risk of losing highly trained American pilots…a loss of both manpower and investment.
We see the reality that military intelligence can be wrong about civilians in a targeted area. BUT, in war, civilian casualties are not new. Civilians have been the collateral damage of every war I can think of, as far back as Mesopotamia. So I conclude that drones are not really the problem. War is the problem.
That said, I also have a very uneasy feeling about the notion of soldiers who are so far removed from their enemy. It feels to me a bit like hunters who shoot wild game with high-powered scopes from the comfort of their all-terrain vehicles. Something smells very bad.
Which brings me to the crux of your question. Is the use of US drones (and their collateral damage) justified? If we agree that American military action is called for, I believe the American military may as well use drones. Yes, there will be civilian bloodshed, but no more than if we used traditional (or the latest technology before drones were employed) methods of killing the enemy.
My greatest fear is that drones could be employed to drop nuclear or chemical weapons. Given the current state of affairs…all bets are off the table and I am horrified by this thought.
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Thanks very much , Linda, for your thoughts on this subject. What you say, are good explanations. It seems to me that Americans (and we, their allies) are in a constant state of war. But why, why, why?
I read in a highly praised book the following:
” . . . greater equality, socialism, participatory democracy and peace are all within our reach, but nuclear war, work camps and slavery are also possibilities . . . “
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At this moment, the second alternative seems all too close at hand. Love having our thought provoking and respectful conversations and exploring how people in other parts of the world see things.
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Well done!
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Thank you!
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Hi Linda, it is refreshing to see someone taking the trouble to thoroughly research assertions – their own or others’. I am myself guilty of not doing so (my excuses being lack of time and being a generally trustful character).
I am, however, almost more intrigued by your initial statement that we choose our social media connections according to their viewpoints. Guilty again, I suppose. I meet a lot of people in my line of work, and most are easygoing extroverts who like to stay connected on facebook, if only to be able to relive their vacation adventures by remaining in touch with me. The other day, one of these former guests posted something horribly xenophobic. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because not once had I heard him voice a similar opinion while he was with us. Mind you, I live in a foreign country, shouldn’t someone who hates foreigners stay at home? Long story short, when he re-posted another hate-filled comic, I unfriended him. I have made the experience that trying to argue has no effect whatsoever, except riling me, and I have concluded that my time is too valuable for that. Probably not the most helpful behaviour, but it helps me to stay sane.
As always, it is a pleasure reading your thoughts, I hope I will have a bit more time again to do so in the future.
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Oh Sandra, I empathize with you completely. I can’t believe how many hours that post sucked out of my life. And they were not exactly happy hours because much of what I found in the interest of research was revolting and hard to read. And also because, to be honest, I know I am mostly preaching to the choir. Very few people change their minds these days. I don’t know how to rectify this dismal situation. I wish I did. Meanwhile, I spend too much time shoving my head in the sand to avoid the news and to avoid the rants of zenophobic fear mongers.
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There you go, using logic, critical thinking and research via credible sources again! 😄 I must admit that I’ve “unfollowed” a few people on Facebook over the last year. I would love to have a reasoned, honest debate with someone I disagree with, but I get so exasperated when many discussions dissolve into name-calling and the use of “alternative facts.”
Btw, were you able to show your research to the person who originally made the erroneous comments?
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I had intended to go back to that discussion on FB and send a link to this post. To be honest, I haven’t had time to do this yet, but I think that the person who posted the original praise of Obama removed the comment of that author from her post. I need to go back and verify this. (Honestly, I doubt it would make a whit of difference to the fellow.;-()
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The one single fact remains. It is the US that has been constantly engaged in a war somewhere in the world since WW2. Not a single moment of peace has occurred. We, as their lackey have followed the same trail.
Countries that have been occupied through wars, whose cities were bombed and who experienced annihilation, hunger and other disasters, are less enthusiastic about fighting wars.
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Thank you for speaking up Gerard. I did think that there had been a brief moment after WWII in which the world spent its energy licking the wounds of war, but alas, I may be wrong about that. In any case, you are absolutely correct about US complicity in wars around the globe…none of which have affected our homeland. I was never more aware of this irony than after 9/11 when Americans reacted with such utter outrage and entitlement to the idea that our own country could become a target of war and mayhem.
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Good, well- researched questions and answers. I try to listen to various viewpoints to understand where people are coming from, even if I don’t agree with them. I go back to the old Dragnet show where the character states”Just the facts, ma’am.” Getting facts takes some digging these days, especially when the emotions are running high and tnere’s so much mis-information.Thanks for your efforts.
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Thanks Jane. Yes, it really does take some digging to sort facts from opinions. A certain personal bias is inherent in all forms of photography and writing, but there is far too much blatant opinion masquerading as fact these days.
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Very timely considering the attack on the mosque in Quebec City by a young white male of right -wing persuasion.The other man that police stopped was not a suspect but was giving first aid to his friends.At vigils all over the world, people of all religions gathered to grieve the loss of 6 muslims, and to stand together for tolerance.Here in Edmonton indigenous people, Rabbi and Catholics, all came together as one last night at the Alberta legislative assembly and all political parties were united in stating that Canada stands for tolerance and that refugees are welcome.This gives me hope for peace and love.
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That was heartbreaking. Canada still stands as a beacon of righteousness amidst a storm of evil.
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Even wayyyy down here, where I try to keep one finger on the pulse of the world just to be ‘smart’ to stay informed while spending most of my time avoiding the bog of ‘too much information and chaos,’ I found myself returning from a road trip and wondering, ‘What’s he done today?’
It must be so hard when it’s all around you….
Thank you for the time it took to put this together and to articulate what’s happening to you, as it’s surely an echo of what many others are experiencing.
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Thank you, Lisa. You know just how I feel. I can barely watch or listen to the news these days…any news. I can’t bear to hear those two words together: P…T… And I’m sick to death of people who should know better trying to anticipate what he will do next and why he is doing whatever he is doing. Nobody know. He doesn’t even know. It’s hard to wake up every morning with a sinking feeling in the gut. It is not my normal condition.
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It concerns me that it’s affecting the entire world like a nasty virus.. I don’t say that ‘tongue in cheek’ —
Sometimes I feel like a voyeur or like some character in a book watching from afar and knowing with sick dread that something much larger is brewing…. while waiting on the shoe to drop… Perhaps many people feel that same way?
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Yeah, I think that pretty much describes it. The social discourse with friends tends toward morose disbelief and shame. Mostly we try to divert each other from the topic that runs like ticker tape across the inside of our foreheads. And yes, the most fearful thing, perhaps is that this is not simply an American problem. It is very much a world problem.
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We live in unbelievable times. Thanks for putting this into a coherent and poignant writing. I believe in reaching out, but it’s hard when one side does nothing but step on others. I wonder what will become of the world these days. Sadly.
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Yes, Otto, I fear what lies in wait for us, not just as Americans, but for all of us because we are interdependent upon each other for success and survival. Fingers crossed for little damage and quick correction.
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So well said my friend
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Thank you, my friend. I fear I’m preaching to my own personal choir, though…
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